Interesting Karma theory of Jainism? Must read. Only Indians reply pls - non-indians stay away.?

Jainism says all human beings, plants and animals has life. Life means a soul, which is different from body. The body dies but soul never dies. Jainism says all souls whether its a human's soul or a small bacteria's soul, all are equal and all has the capacity to become god.



As per jainism - there are 2 types of souls,

(1) one who has bondage of Karma. Karma means deeds (both good and bad).

(2) and other who is free soul which is also called Siddha (God). Free soul is the one who is free from karma (both good and bad). i.e. God.

Hence God in jainism is the one who is free soul who attained liberation from universe by being free from bondage of both good and bad karma.

Jainism says in whole universe there are 4 gatis (a state of soul where it face pain and happiness binded with karma).



State #1 Hell %26amp; Nigoda (Nigoda is living beings which has only one sense viz. plants, vegetables, air, water, fire, earth, etc.)



If a person (soul) has done lot of bad deeds like violence and killing human beings and animals in past birth, it takes rebirth either in hell or as one sense living being (eg: plants, trees, air, etc.) or and stay in that state for crores of years or more than that (depends on karma-deed it did in past birth),



State# 2 Heaven

If one did too much good deeds in past birth, it take rebirth in heaven %26amp; stays there for minimum 10000 years and maximum innumerable crores of years (depending on quality of karma it did in past birth)



State # 3 Human Beings i.e. we

If one has done medium deeds (mixture of good and bad) then it takes rebirth as human beings. Even in that depending on past deeds it will take birth either as male or female, either in rich or poor family either as healthy or non healthy, either as beautiful or ugly, either long living or short living and face all good or bad experience throughout life according to the quality of past karma {good or bad deeds it did in previous birth}



State # 4 Animals

If any person has done lots of manipulation, stealing, adultery, non-veg eating and abuse to others in past birth then it take rebirth as animals.



And this vicious cycle of good and bad deeds and birth and death goes on. Jainism says neither heaven, nor hell is permanent. Some people believe that heaven is good but the happiness in heaven is not permanent, and the soul cannot attain liberation by going to heaven (liberation is a state of soul where it achiever eternal knowledge, enlightenment and eternal bliss wherin the soul becomes completely free from bondage of karma, hence become free from vicious cycle of birth and death and permanently rest in peace %26amp; happiness).



As per jains, both hell and heaven are a part of sansara (universe) Hell is a result of bad karma while heaven is a result of good karma, %26amp; humans %26amp; animals result of mixture of good %26amp; bad karma, so moral of story either the jail has metal bars or golden bars, bars are afterall bars and it does not free you from universe and attain liberation and complete state of bliss. So if you want to become free, you have to become free from both good and bad karma, but that doesn't happens overnight. First a soul has to realise its self worth and then lot of practice is required (the process of attaining liberation and becoming god is mentioned in jain's scriptures) So look at it this way, if a student gives exam, then you advice him that if you are not able to achieve 100/100 its okey but atleast try to pass. If a student pass in exam with 35 out of 100, that doesn't make him scholar, but atleast better than being fail. Same way jainism says that good karma are better than bad karma and unless you don't start the process of attaining liberation you should always choose good karma over bad ones. But it says that good karma cannot help in attaining liberation of soul. It only help in attaining heaven but not help in being a god (free soul).



According to jainism, free souls who has won both good and bad karmas and is completely free from bondage of karmas are the gods who rest in permanent peace and happiness with eternal bliss and knowledge above the universe, which is called "Moksha".



Here a question arise, that how it is reasonably possible to not even do good karma and how it is possible to free from karma - Jains state that when a human being, leaves all worldly passion and become jain monk, practice meditation and if he manages to stay blank minded for minimum 48 minutes, it can attain liberation and become god. Its just not tht, u cannot get the logic and idea by this random info, reasonable details has been mentioned in jain scriptures.



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By "The body dies but soul never dies" I think we can relate to "genes". They get passed on from body to another(plants, bacteria etc) and normally don't die(anything beyond is not explainable with knowledge we have).

As for the good and bad deeds, we can assume good deeds as "an orderly or well planned actions" that we do to get a certain "desirable" not undesirable outcomes.

Bad karma however can be "recklessness, being naive, ego minded etc actions".

So I think to be free from karma is to be free from human emotions(ego, naive, etc) kind of emotions.

And also by being rational in "every" step u think, you may have a chance to attain Gods mind.

I don't believe any of this unless there is solid evidence that it can happen though.
what is the proof that it is not a fake assumption.Interesting Karma theory of Jainism? Must read. Only Indians reply pls - non-indians stay away.?
Im Native American, does that count? I prefer Buddhism to Jain, Jain is far too strict.
what a load of clap trap, how can an animal that has no sense of right and wrong be held to account for what it does in its life time.

does this mean all meat eaters will keep coming back as animals

you must understand this Jainism is a load of rubbish
There are many predictions about this: when we want to realise this it will take years together and we need very hard work and practice: if there is some slip in our concentration of this concept we cannot realise :



So to my best realisation/ knowledge: doing our duty is the worship; service to the human is service to the god
jainism is a lie/deception, the human is only an user and it is not given to be (a) god/lord at all

compared to the true God every human/soul-being is absolutely negligible and imperfect, that is why (it) was written: "what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man(ie but every enemy of God's All-Salvation) a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged(ie in order to be possible for the true God to save all humans/soul-beings)." Romans 3:3-4

the human is the user, only the true Lord God is an Administrator of the universe, while God is the infinitely large, the user is the infinitely little, this is why Jesus said: "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones;..... For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish." Matthew 18:10-14 - the "little ones" are the humans

to the humans is not allowably to be administrators as the Lord God because the humans/soul-beings are infinitely little/negligible/imperfect and therefore they can do only sin(-s) therein

Genesis 2:16-17 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.",

Genesis 3:22-24 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."

the humans are not Gods/Lords, there is only one God - the Heavenly Father, and only one Lord - Jesus Christ, the humans can do only an iniquity if they have a god's power, because they are only users - their nature is to be only users, also, there is no a need of more than one Lord God
Whether tradition of Brahman(VEDIC) %26amp; Shraman(JAINISM) coexisted and evolved from same source?

Here Brahman should not be confused at all with caste Brahmin. Here Brahman means Brahm(God) centered.

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BRAHMAN(Vedic) tradition preached one to be centered to BRAHM(God) only through all actions and thoughts. For them devotion to God is supreme.

SHRAMAN(Jain) tradition preached one to centered to SHRAM(austerity) in life. For them austerity is supreme.

The Gita is wonderful divine revelation well describing about the BRAHMAN(Vedic) essence.

Brahman(VEDIC) %26amp; Shraman(Jain) tradition evolved as 2 different traditions evolved from one and same source i.e. ONE tradition %26amp; ONE people.

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The entire rebirth episode is flawed.

If there is a rebirth, consider the following :

1. There should be less and less people on the earth. But the situation is reverse. As the days go, the total population of the world increases.

2. One has to born to a different father and different mother. Shame on the principle which suggests this.

3. You are punished without you were told about your previous sins

4. There is no leniency or pardon, a quality of God.

5. Everything written by people and attributed to God, without showing any proof of God's word being sent or told to a human.

6. Does the God say that you too become like Him and share his throne ?

7. Once you become God, would you allow another competitor to stand before you.

8. If you are God, then where is your Universe and what are your creations ?

9. Why did not any other God try to raise the sun from west, instead of east ?

Finally there would be billions and billions of gods, without any worshipper. What would be the fate of those and what would be the use of everyone being gods?

Use your common sense.
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Reply to Roohi

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